Friday, June 08, 2007

Blogpower vote day 3

It’s day 3 in the Big Brother house… I mean… In the big Blogpower house James has been chatting with the other Blogpower bosses in the diary room and they are thinking of ending the contest on Sunday. There is a poll going on to decide when it should end which means I may have even less time to take over the blogosphere.

Tony Sharp also entered the diary room today and more or less accused me and another blogger of vote rigging for getting BNP supporters to vote for me and threatening Santa. It’s ok. Santa is safe for now but he has the flu. If you don’t want him to get hypothermia you better do the right thing.

Now a look at the votes and it seems I am not doing any better than I was yesterday.

In the Award for Services to Blogging my vote has increased 5 votes to 22 votes while the leader has increased substantially more and has 44 votes. I am still second though.

In the Most Politically Incorrect Blog category my vote has increased by 4 and I am on 18 votes while the leader is on 58. No luck there then.

In the Most Under-rated Blogger category I have increased by 3 votes to 8 while the leader has 61. No luck here either.

In the Best Little Blogger category I have increased my vote by 2 to 9.

In the Best Blogpower blog I have increased by 8 votes to 25. The leader has 37.

I wish I was vote rigging. Maybe I would win. It’s helluva lot easier than asking them to vote for me if they think I deserve it.


vote freedom said...

well been voting early and voting often... I be glad if you just beat Iain dale which you are doing at the moment... it is nice to see them moaning even about a poll and the BNP..

james higham said...

Opinion is fairly well against an early close. It's likely to be Wednesday, as previously stated.

vote freedom said...

will keep spreading the good word.. I suggest you get yourself on stormfront YOUDONTKNOWME and have a word with Green Arrow and a few of the other BNP bloggers.. they owe you one for the advertising you have given them.

youdontknowme said...

I am banned on stormfront. I said something along the lines of I wasn't concerned about the jews.

As for the other bloggers I don't think I should be getting them promote my blog on their blogs. I would feel like I was hijacking their blogs.

james higham said...
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Crushed by Ingsoc said...

It really is none of my business, but if I were you I would disassociate myself from those in your own party who are seeking to use these awards for political purposes.

The whole point of these awards are that they are awarded on the basis of merit, not political sympathy.

By allowing yourself to be used in this way, you are potentially losing the esteem of other Blogpower members- many of whom stood by the principles of Blogpower to support you in the past.

As you know, my own sympathies are very much opposed to yours, but I did nominate yourself for one of the categories, in the interests of free speech. I believe strongly that Blogpower provides an excellent forum for rational, responsible debate. I certainly find attempts to highjack these awards by political groups as an insult to the goodwill and acceptance of all views that Blogpower stands for.

As I say, none of mu business, mate. I only point all this out to you, because whatever happens regarding the final winners, a lot of your fellow Blogpower members will be very angry indeed about your party's activities (see comments on my last post) and unless you put clear distance between yourself and this politicisation of these awards, you may find some resentment towards yourself.

Don't do that to yourself, mate. I know I'm a whinging, bleeding heart Liberal, but I do care about free speech as you know.
I think you harm your cause a bit.

youdontknowme said...

I have said in my post for people to only vote for me if they think I deserve it. I have only mentioned the BNP because I thought people would be more likely to get out and vote. I even nominated other BNP blogs so I wouldn't be in the position of being the only BNP blog.

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

Wayne, I don't think you personally have done anything untoward at all, your own posts on the subject have been fair and even humourous. :)

They have cetainly reminded me to give you where it is appropriate, NOT as a BNP blogger, but as Blogpower blogger judged on their own merits.

All I point out is;

a. It has been noticed by others that a certain organisation is highjacking categories in these awards.

b. You happen to a member of that organisation.

Unfortunately, although you yourself have done nothing wrong, (You are not the beneficiary of this campaign), you may find yourself lumped with guilt by association. Unfair maybe, but true.

It would seem inevitable that in the aftermath of these awards, there will be lengthy debate about what has happened here.

As I say, I don't think you have been unfair yourself in any way. But I would advise that you make clear that you yourself oppose the politicisation of these awards as much as the rest of us. A clear statement from yourself condemning this vote rigging would go a long way to at least showing that Blogpower solidarity is genuine.

I'm sure you can understand people's concern when they see proposals to use organisations with titles such as 'Stormfront' (I REALLY, REALLY do not want to know much more about this site, I can guess...) on your blog.

Put this way here is the equation most people see.

BNP going out of their way to highjack these awards.
Wayne is a BNP member.

You need to demonstrate, which I believe to be the case, that these two facts are unconnected.

Sorry if I come across as on my high horse. I do mean well.

youdontknowme said...

The thing is if these awards were actually being politicised I would actually be winning. In some categories I haven't even received 10 votes. To me that doesn't look like anything serious has happened infact it shows that those BNPers are actually voting for me in areas where they think I deserve it and not voting for me in areas where they believe I don't deserve it.

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

I agree.
But you know damn well there is a solid BNP campaign behind UK News.
This is generating a lot of annoyance.

Were you to condemn this campaign, it would make a big difference.

At least consider it.

youdontknowme said...

UK News doesn't even support the BNP. He supports the Conservatives. Why would BNP bloggers put their vote behind a none BNP blogger when there is already a BNP blogger in the contest. It makes no sense.

I cannot condemn this campaign for the following reasons:

1. There is no evidence that he supports the BNP
2. There is no evidence that there is a concerted effort of BNP bloggers to get UK News and Politics to win
3. There is no evidence that anything is happening
4. I cannot accuse the BNP of doing something when there is no evidence that they are actually doing anything.

As a leftie you must believe in fair trials but you are willing to accuse someone without there being any evidence.

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

That answer in itself was a good and fair response.
Please note I am not accusing you of anything.

I believe- as I said- that you personally are taking these awards in the right spirit.

It isn't me you need to convince.

I may be a leftie by your standards- I don't like to categorise my politics as left or right- but I am not your enemy.

I certainly AM an opponent of your party, and am behind those who are concerned about BNP activities in this poll.

I really think you should talk to your fellow Blogpower members and allay their concerns, because it is being discussed and your voice is absent.
That's all.

youdontknowme said...

I may be a leftie by your standards- I don't like to categorise my politics as left or right- but I am not your enemy.

I know you are not my enemy however you did call yourself a bleeding heart liberal a few posts up which lead me to believe you were a leftie.

I really think you should talk to your fellow Blogpower members and allay their concerns, because it is being discussed and your voice is absent.

I have only seen it discussed on one blog plus Blogpower. I don't think it has been discussed that much. Could you give me a few links to blogs where it has been discussed because to me it doesn't seem like people are making a big deal over it.

I don't think there is anything to discuss either. All I can see is people complaining about the BNP and UK News and Politics and the only connection that people have between them both is me because I support the BNP and UK News and Politics won my blog of the week. Thats all people have. I don't quite understand.

james higham said...

Wayne, I came over to clear the air.

There is most certainly a lot of e-mailing being done and not just by Blogpowerers. Three people are actively "not canvassing" votes any more - they've given up on the awards.

One of those has it in for BP mitself but the others are because of the supposed BNP "push" for votes.

Now I know your character as a person and I think you're a nice guy beneath the crazy political affiliation, which of course is your business. Your blog does have humour and you try hard.

But you should listen to Crushed, who is most certainly not against you, as others are. He speaks wisdom.

If you don't distance yourself from the BNP on this matter and Tony Sharp actually quoted you, people are going to react negatively.

The BNP are doing as they've always done - seek respectability through ordinary participation in the daily life of the nation. You are one of those who firmly believes they are doing good - you yourself are trying to do good and I can tell you there are people who like you for it.

But the upper echelons of your party are another matter and this thing has been very slickly handled. I told you a few times you weren't the main problem.

The thing is, we could easily stack too. Almost all of us can call on hundreds of people to vote for us but we don't do that.

You make a good point that in some categories, you're doing only moderately. I've told you - you're not the main problem.

The reason I don't act decisively in this is that I have no right to. A poll is a poll and the vast majority are saying we should just let it run to the end and then decide things for next time.

I'm going to say this on the Blogpower site soon.

Wayne, listen to Crushed instead of always defending yourself. He clearly has your interests at heart.

Me? I'm defending the little blogger who has no organization behind him or her.

youdontknowme said...

I know that both of you are not against me but I don't see anything to speak out against.

Personally I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe if the problem was explained I would see something to speak out against.

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

See my recent post The Left-Right spectrum Myth.

The issue is being discussed at nourishing obscurity, as well as the Tony Sharp site you referred to, plus it has even been brought up in comments to my last post.

You will see from my remarks at both places, that my position is consistent.

There is genuine concern regarding UK News, which I share, looking at the facts.

If there are any misunderstandings, you are the best person to shed light on them.

Myself, as you know, I disagree with what you say but will defend your right to say it.
As it stands, I think UK News should be disqualified. I may be wrong.

Have to go to Coventry now, so I'll leave you with that.

The Bournemouth Nationalist said...

I can assure you of one thing Crushed, the BNP hasn't the slightest interest in these insignificant and fatuous awards.

If you have proof otherwise please be forthcoming to back up your case

james higham said...

Wayne, I actually went and voted for you then in the same category as me. Am I going crazy?

youdontknowme said...

You aren't crazy. you are gonna win anyway. lol.

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youdontknowme said...

I have seen it but unfortunately I can't make one. I would have no idea where to begin.